So I was having this discussion last night with a few friends. Which course is better? Both have the following: Held a Major Held a PGA Event Allow walk ups Easily accessible to the public Local discounts

Just an outsider opinion here, as I haven't played either. I've heard without the views.....Torrey is just average at best. Bethpage looks to be gorgeous AND a true test of golf. My vote is the black.

Haven't played BPB but know some who have and say it's a test. Torrey, depending on conditions, can play very tough but likely not in same league as Bethpage at its toughest. I've played Torrey a few times, once when off the fairway was a lost ball, it wasn't fun.

Jaybananapantsarthur Yep, I lost just shy of 3 sleeves in that Torrey South Rough. Who's idea was it to make 15 handicaps play from 7200? Truthfully I can only remember 5 holes at Torrey in my mind.

Never played Torrey. I’m sure it is beautiful. I frequent Black and for a golfer with no club affiliation, it is the closest I can get to pristine conditions. Plays hard and fast and you get some monster tee shots with greens that roll like a billiards table. The course is long and fair in the sense that if you hit the short stuff, the greens are large enough that you have a great shot at par and stiff it 15 feet and you know you just need to put a solid stroke on it for a good birdie opportunity. I’ve had some of my longest driving days and most feet of putts made at BPB. The tricky part of the course is making sure you play the right tees because too far forward and your landing zone with a driver no longer exists. If you carry it 280-290 you are going to find some unlucky breaks on a few holes such as 7, 9, 12, and 13 if the tees are up a box. If you can’t hit fairways and greens, completely different story. Be prepared for the toughest, longest round of physical and mental endurance. Piggy back that with a grueling morning or getting there for your baker’s ticket to get a tee time with your group and the day just got longer. As a single you can get in easily but it’s a crapshoot who you get paired with.

ckay so when are we playing the black together? 😉

dphatt I’m down for that. Once the quarantine lifts in NY and people get back to work I can try and get a foursome for the guys interested during the week. Every day times literally sell out in seconds when released right now. Or if you want the real Black experience we can sit in our cars and watch the minutes go by slowly but that’s no fun. You just end up hating yourself towards the end of the round.

Bethpage Black or Torrey Pines South

dphatt

ckay I am too old to sleep in the car lol. Let’s wait for it to calm down and I will head up for sure

Jaybananapantsarthur

dphatt if you see a dude hitchhiking on your way up the NJ Turnpike be sure to stop and pick me up 😄

dphatt

Jaybananapantsarthur we can do Stone Harbor and then go up to the Black the next day 😉

ckay

dphatt my dad has a golf range down the street from Stone Harbor 😂

Jaybananapantsarthur

ckay I'm closer to your father than I am to Stone Harbor GC .... about 1 minute

ckay

Jaybananapantsarthur Small world, golf is a tough business down there. I’m down there a few times a summer to help my pops out so he can spend a few weekends with my mom during the summer. That may change now that I have a daughter but if I find myself down there I’ll have to send you a message.

Jaybananapantsarthur

ckay please do

adam62482

BPB is one of the toughest fairest golf courses I’ve played. Torrey South has stretches like this but not as good of a course as BPB. I’ve played each course at least 5 times. I don’t like that they’ve continued to add back tees at both courses but I guess each wouldn’t be getting their major/Ryder Cup otherwise.

TB3GOLF

Torrey is a dumpster fire. Hands down one of the worst courses on tour and the second most overrated course in Cali

ckay

TB3GOLF which is the first?

Pure745

Bethpage - and it's not even close.

TB3GOLF

ckay pebble. Pebble is often in rough/awful shape depending on the year and no matter what you’re dropping $600-$800

ckay

TB3GOLF I assumed it would be PB. Honestly, some courses are much more appealing on TV due to the aerial shots shown. I played Kapalua Plantation a couple of years back and I wasn't impressed. To make sure I wasn't blaming it on a poor round with the trade winds, I had my wife meet me after my round and teed off again and it was a meh experience.

It is pretty wild because I am out in LA once a year for work-related stuff. Each time, I consider taking a ride down to Torrey for a round, and then hit up the Gallery so I find this thread very interesting in terms of actual opinions of Torrey.
I've only played the Pelican Hill courses, Rustic Canyon, and Industry Hills. Other times, I bring my bag but I'll just hit up Rancho Park and hit some balls at the range and putt for a while and spend my free time at the Petersen. My guilty pleasure after a round of golf in the LA area is hitting up El Pollo Loco for lunch, LOL.

TB3GOLF

ckay pebble is the most overrated course in America. Torrey follows closely behind and TPC Sawgrass is a close third. I can on all day about poor courses.

Pure745

ckay

Definitely play Torrey South. It's a fun track with great views, do not skip it. Compared to the Black, it's not as good, but one of my favorite tracks out here. If you're an SD resident it's sub $100 and even sub $50 twilight, which changes the whole discussion.

TB3GOLF

Funny you say that. I have not played PB but have played MPCC and Cypress Point and have friends who say PB is their favorite of the 3. I'm not sure it would come close to CP for me, but it's on my list of things to do 🙂

Eddie

ckay

At least you hit some balls. I even have a second bag out in LA so no excuse not to play, but aside from Aloha, I've played one round there, and I'm there 1/4 of the year 🤣 .

Eddie

A good friend told me the best time to goto Pebble is the week before the concourse, it's when the course is in the best condition (aside from for tournaments), and both times I have gone on that weekend, the course has been immaculate. Also get to meet a lot of interesting people. One year I woke up, opened my lodge door, and saw Jay Leno in the room next to me, really cool guy.

I absolutely love Pebble, holes 11-14 feel a little underwhelming, but overall, still a huge fan of Pebble.

ckay

Pure745 I’ll get out to South at some point. The hurdle for me is that we stay in BH when we make it out to LA so it becomes a chore to get myself down there and then deal with traffic on the way back.

TB3GOLF

Pure745 as someone who’s played all four, I’d say it’s dead last of those four. What’s said is even with as overrated as pebble is, it’s still LIGHT YEARS better than TPines

FairwayDae

Bethpage Black. Tough to beat Torrey views but Bethpage is probably the better course.

adam62482

TB3GOLF can you please explain how Pebble is overrated in your opinion?